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Why Virginia Tech shootings happened
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Imperialist Watch
2007-04-19 10:39:52 UTC
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A Statement from the International Action Center
Why Virginia Tech shootings happened


Yet another rampage has occurred at a school, this time leaving 33 people dead at Virginia Tech-the worst such incident ever at a U.S. college campus.

The news media seem stunned and surprised, yet their coverage sounds so similar to the stories about Columbine eight years ago. They dwell on the personality of the young man the police say did the shooting, before killing himself. They talk about him being a "loner," depressed, perhaps angry at women.

But aren't there lonely and depressed people all over the world? Many countries have high suicide rates. Why is it that here some become mass murderers?

The U.S. is the world leader in seemingly random acts of violence by individuals. Why?

President George W. Bush rushed to Virginia to speak at a large convocation the day after the killings and tried to set the tone for what could be said about them. "It's impossible to make sense of such violence and suffering," he said.

Don't ask why, don't try to understand. It makes no sense. "Have faith" instead, was Bush's message.

But there ARE reasons these things happen here, and they are pretty clear to the rest of the world. It's just in the United States that no one is supposed to talk about the reasons.

What distinguishes this country from the rest of the world? It is neither the most affluent nor the poorest. It is neither the most secular nor the most religious. It is not the most culturally homogeneous nor is it the most diverse.

But in one area, it stands virtually alone. It has the biggest arsenal of high-tech weaponry in the world, way surpassing every other country. It has military bases spread all over; most countries have no troops outside their borders.

It is conducting two hot wars at the moment, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has sent hundreds of thousands of troops abroad over the last few years. Every day, the public here is supposed to identify with soldiers who burst into homes in Baghdad, round up the people and take them away for "interrogation"-which everyone knows now can mean torture and indefinite detainment.

It also sends heavily armed "special ops" on secret missions to countless other countries, like the ones who just facilitated the invasion and bombing of Somalia, or the ones who have been trying to stir up opposition in Iran. This is documented in the news media.

The immense brutality of these colonial wars, as well as earlier ones, is praised from the White House on down as the best, the ONLY way to achieve what the political leaders and their influential, rich backers decide is necessary to protect their world empire. Do lots of people get killed? "Stuff happens," said former war secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Collateral damage," says the Pentagon.

At home, the U.S. has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Over 2 million people are locked up in the prison system each year, most of them people of color. When commercial armed security guards are also taken into consideration, the U.S. has millions of employees who use guns and other coercive paraphernalia in their jobs.

In the final analysis, the military and the police exist to perpetuate and protect this present unjust system of capitalist inequality, where a few can claim personal ownership over a vast economy built by the sweat and blood of hundreds of millions of workers.

And the more divided, the more polarized the society becomes, the higher the level of coercion and violence. Assault weapons are now everywhere in this society, as are Tasers, handcuffs, clubs and tear gas. They most often start out in the hands of the police, the military and other agents of the state, and can then turn up anywhere.

Violence is a big money maker in the mass culture. Television, films, pulp novels, Internet sites, video games-all dwell on "sociopaths" while glorifying the state's use of violence, often supplemented by a lone vigilante. By the time children reach their teens, they have already seen thousands of murders and killings on television. And these days even more suspense is added in countless programs that involve stalking and terror against women-and increasingly children.

As the Duke rape case and so many "escort service" ads show, women of color are particularly subject to exploitation and have little recourse to any justice. And as the murders along the border show, immigrants of color are fair game for racist killers.

The social soil of capitalism can alienate and enrage an unstable and miserable person who should be getting help but can't find it. If, as reports are saying, the young man accused of these killings was on anti-depressant medication, it is all the more evidence that, at a time when hospitals are closing and health care is unavailable for tens of millions, treating mental health problems requires more from society than just prescribing dubious chemicals.

Many liberal commentators are taking this occasion to renew the demand for tougher gun laws. Yes, assault weapons are horrible, but so are bunker buster bombs, helicopters that fire thousands of rounds a minute, and the ultimate-nuclear weapons. Disarming the people is not the answer, especially when the government is armed to the teeth and uses brutality and coercion daily.

The best antidote to these tragedies is to build a movement for profound social change, a movement directed at solving the great problems depressing so much of humanity today, whether they be wars or global climate change or the loneliness of the dog-eat-dog society.

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dd
2007-04-19 13:26:37 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:39:52 -0400, "Imperialist Watch"
Post by Imperialist Watch
A Statement from the International Action Center
Why Virginia Tech shootings happened
Yet another rampage has occurred at a school, this time leaving 33 people dead at Virginia Tech-the worst such incident ever at a U.S. college campus.
The news media seem stunned and surprised, yet their coverage sounds so similar to the stories about Columbine eight years ago. They dwell on the personality of the young man the police say did the shooting, before killing himself. They talk about him being a "loner," depressed, perhaps angry at women.
But aren't there lonely and depressed people all over the world? Many countries have high suicide rates. Why is it that here some become mass murderers?
The U.S. is the world leader in seemingly random acts of violence by individuals. Why?
President George W. Bush rushed to Virginia to speak at a large convocation the day after the killings and tried to set the tone for what could be said about them. "It's impossible to make sense of such violence and suffering," he said.
Don't ask why, don't try to understand. It makes no sense. "Have faith" instead, was Bush's message.
But there ARE reasons these things happen here, and they are pretty clear to the rest of the world. It's just in the United States that no one is supposed to talk about the reasons.
What distinguishes this country from the rest of the world? It is neither the most affluent nor the poorest. It is neither the most secular nor the most religious. It is not the most culturally homogeneous nor is it the most diverse.
But in one area, it stands virtually alone. It has the biggest arsenal of high-tech weaponry in the world, way surpassing every other country. It has military bases spread all over; most countries have no troops outside their borders.
It is conducting two hot wars at the moment, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has sent hundreds of thousands of troops abroad over the last few years. Every day, the public here is supposed to identify with soldiers who burst into homes in Baghdad, round up the people and take them away for "interrogation"-which everyone knows now can mean torture and indefinite detainment.
It also sends heavily armed "special ops" on secret missions to countless other countries, like the ones who just facilitated the invasion and bombing of Somalia, or the ones who have been trying to stir up opposition in Iran. This is documented in the news media.
The immense brutality of these colonial wars, as well as earlier ones, is praised from the White House on down as the best, the ONLY way to achieve what the political leaders and their influential, rich backers decide is necessary to protect their world empire. Do lots of people get killed? "Stuff happens," said former war secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "Collateral damage," says the Pentagon.
At home, the U.S. has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Over 2 million people are locked up in the prison system each year, most of them people of color. When commercial armed security guards are also taken into consideration, the U.S. has millions of employees who use guns and other coercive paraphernalia in their jobs.
In the final analysis, the military and the police exist to perpetuate and protect this present unjust system of capitalist inequality, where a few can claim personal ownership over a vast economy built by the sweat and blood of hundreds of millions of workers.
And the more divided, the more polarized the society becomes, the higher the level of coercion and violence. Assault weapons are now everywhere in this society, as are Tasers, handcuffs, clubs and tear gas. They most often start out in the hands of the police, the military and other agents of the state, and can then turn up anywhere.
Violence is a big money maker in the mass culture. Television, films, pulp novels, Internet sites, video games-all dwell on "sociopaths" while glorifying the state's use of violence, often supplemented by a lone vigilante. By the time children reach their teens, they have already seen thousands of murders and killings on television. And these days even more suspense is added in countless programs that involve stalking and terror against women-and increasingly children.
As the Duke rape case and so many "escort service" ads show, women of color are particularly subject to exploitation and have little recourse to any justice. And as the murders along the border show, immigrants of color are fair game for racist killers.
The social soil of capitalism can alienate and enrage an unstable and miserable person who should be getting help but can't find it. If, as reports are saying, the young man accused of these killings was on anti-depressant medication, it is all the more evidence that, at a time when hospitals are closing and health care is unavailable for tens of millions, treating mental health problems requires more from society than just prescribing dubious chemicals.
Many liberal commentators are taking this occasion to renew the demand for tougher gun laws. Yes, assault weapons are horrible, but so are bunker buster bombs, helicopters that fire thousands of rounds a minute, and the ultimate-nuclear weapons. Disarming the people is not the answer, especially when the government is armed to the teeth and uses brutality and coercion daily.
The best antidote to these tragedies is to build a movement for profound social change, a movement directed at solving the great problems depressing so much of humanity today, whether they be wars or global climate change or the loneliness of the dog-eat-dog society.
International Action Center- 55 West 17th St, 5C, New York, NY 10011
www.IACenter.org
Contact us - http://iacenter.org/folder04/list.htm
Donate to help with organizing - http://iacenter.org/iacdonate.shtml
Become an IAC intern - http://iacenter.org/intern.htm
so you're saying that all we have to do is become Bangladesh or
perhaps Guatemala to avoid the type of incomprehensible misery we are
immersed in?


Let me think about that and get back to you. Sounds pretty good at
first blush though, I have to admit.
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2007-04-19 14:00:46 UTC
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Post by dd
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:39:52 -0400, "Imperialist Watch"
Post by Imperialist Watch
A Statement from the International Action Center
Why Virginia Tech shootings happened
But aren't there lonely and depressed people all over the world? Many countries have high suicide rates.
Why is it that here some become mass murderers?
Why is it that some become mass murders EVERYWHERE ? Why is
it that the lefties and the Hate America First crowd only ever seem to
hear about the American ones ? BTW, yesterday over 200 residents of
Baghdad were killed by other residents of Baghdad. Have you ever
heard of a town called Dunblane ? Lockerbie ? Madrid ? Have you
ever looked into the murder rates in Bogata ? Mexico City ? Port au
Prince ? Somalia ? NIgeria ? Sudan ?
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
The U.S. is the world leader in seemingly random acts of violence by individuals. Why?
No, it's not. It's just the favorite bitching target of the
left.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
Don't ask why, don't try to understand. It makes no sense. "Have faith" instead, was Bush's message.
Don't try to find a rational explanation for what this
IMMIGRANT FROM SOUTH KOREA, WHO WASN'T EVEN A US CITIZEN did.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
But there ARE reasons these things happen here, and they are pretty clear to the rest of the world.
No, they're not. The mere fact that 'the rest of the world'
finds it easy to pull opinions out of their nasty unwashed asses and
pontificate on them does not mean they KNOW anything at all.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
It's just in the United States that no one is supposed to talk about the reasons.
But in one area, it stands virtually alone. It has the biggest arsenal of high-tech weaponry in the world,
way surpassing every other country. It has military bases spread all over; most countries have no troops outside their borders.
Ah ! So, the South Korean guy used some new fangled high-tech
super-weapon ? Wow, I thought he used an AUSTRALIAN-MADE GLOCK
HANDGUN.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
As the Duke rape case and so many "escort service" ads show, women of color are particularly
subject to exploitation and have little recourse to any justice.
Really ? Wow, I thought that psychotic black whore had a DA
in her pocket who decided to simply take everything she said at face
value and spend a million dollars going after the gusy she picked out
of thin air to accuse fo something that never happened. That's
'little recourse' ????
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
And as the murders along the border show,
immigrants of color are fair game for racist killers.
And as the crime statistics show, the ILLEGAL ALIENS SNEAKING
OVER THE BORDER ( they are NOT 'immigrants' ! ) that manage to get
here wreak a large death toll here in this country, by their drunk
driving ( a noational pastime in their home countries ), their gangs (
MS 13 etc etc ), etc. For every one ILLEGAL that gets shot at the
border, and makes all the headlines, there are a THOUSAND Americans
killed by other ILLEGALS who snuck in.

Now look at the body counts of the ILLEGALS that the 'coyotes'
that bring them in leave locked in semi's, or keep in indentured
servitude. Look at who actually runs the SOUTHERN side of the US
Mexico border - hint - it ain't the Mexican government ! It's the
smugglers ( of drugs and people ), and if you fuck with them, they
either cut your head off, or put a tire aroudn your neck and set it on
fire with gasoline.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
Many liberal commentators are taking this occasion to renew the demand for tougher gun laws.
Because they are fucking assholes.
Post by dd
Post by Imperialist Watch
The best antidote to these tragedies is to build a movement for profound social change, a
movement directed at solving the great problems depressing so much of humanity today, whether
they be wars or global climate change or the loneliness of the dog-eat-dog society.
WHy don't you sign up to join Dennis Kucinich's 'Department
of Peace' ?
Post by dd
so you're saying that all we have to do is become Bangladesh or
perhaps Guatemala to avoid the type of incomprehensible misery we are
immersed in?
Let me think about that and get back to you. Sounds pretty good at
first blush though, I have to admit.
yeh, I like it too !

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